I’m sorry to say that the Hunter DPS Spreadsheet project has been cancelled.
However, I do recommend that you use one of these tools for your DPS tuning needs.
- Zeherah’s Online Hunter DPS Analyzer (FemaleDwarf.com)
- Rawr
- Shandara’s Spreadsheet
The Hunter DPS Spreadsheet
This addon sounds a lot like Recount. It’s a good tool for individual or known use amongst a group of people. However, when used willy nillie, and applied to all, things are blown out of proportion. The author seems to understand this thankfully. However, he can’t control the masses.
The new RSS Armory feed has the ability that the author is looking to implement in his next version.
There is no addon replacement for actual class knowledge and play ability. I still have no use for it, but others may.
I find this surprising.
The RSS feed only caches the last few updates to the achievements/stats, including a few new things like picking up gear, stages in an achievement, etc. using it to evaluate people in a glance or a split-second, is beyond the armory’s scope.
most especially, if you’ve been running heroics for a week, there won’t be anything about your raid progress in your recent history, etc. in the extended history, sure. but that’s also not available in any addon or UI features.
There will be more addons in the future to replace GearScore, especially if the coveted LFR system suddenly it’s head in the burning ashes of the LFD system’s overgearing of casuals.
So far, Elitist Group scans for the raiding achievements when you’re in close enough proximity to be inspected for achievements (and gear).
It seems to be the most promising replacement, but it needs to do a lot more to hit the same grand heights as GearScore’s infamy and instant adoption by the masses.
I dislike both due to user abuse, not the addons themselves. If such addons become the defacto measuring sticks for doing things in game then it may become time for me to stop playing.
@Nochecazador
This game has and will always have some measure of “Elitism.”
Before GearScore and Elitist Group you had people checking you out on Be Imba or WoW Heroes. If it wasn’t that, then it’s using the “Inspect” tool checking your spec and gear.
But honestly I wouldn’t worry too much about it. I think we’re seeing WoW become more of a “Social” MMO vs. being a “Gaming” MMO. But that’s just my opinion.
It takes some amount of effort to go to a website to look someone up or to actually look at their gear and make a judgement call. It’s less your score sucks, you can’t play for a wide audience, that may even include those that stack strength, spirit, and spellpower to make their pet and arcane shot hit harder.
You are right about some measure of elitism always being in the game. Maybe I’ve just never saw it possibly sitting at my doorstep so easily.
Brain ahead of hands.
Basically stating that those the stat themselves wrong can use such things to make incorrect judgement calls.
Here’s some squirrel appreciation for ya!
http://www.oberlin.edu/squirrel/Default_main.html
I taught at Oberlin for 1 semester and have seen the squirrels for myself. They should release an in game vanity pet as a tribute.
Well written article and great website. Very informative. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, Brig. I do think you should change the wording and have it be more clear as to exactly when a hunter can do what. Between gems, extra buffs like food, and gear, “stacking” is too broad a term for what you’re thinking. If I were you, I’d go ahead and differentiate between all three of those, taking care to say “This is when you can effectively re-gem, this is when you can add buffs, and this is when you should be collecting the gear (which, gearwise, is always, for MM – if there’s a choice between a piece with hit and a piece with arpen, generally you want to be taking that arpen piece).
Thanks for understanding that I’m not trying to be a douche. lol <3
@Nassira
No thank you!
The one thing I don’t want is for people to walk away saying, “That Brigwyn guy from The Hunting Lodge said I could replace all my Agility gems and now look! Geez! What a lamer!” lol
And you a douche? I’d never think that.
You’re too full of awesomeness! 
@Overgearing – I like the badge run checkbox. As long as loot gets automatically DE’d and randomly distributed it would keep out the newer players looking for gear. I haven’t had any elitist problems thus far.
Wow, way to go Brig! Just goes to show that it never hurts to ask.
I’d love to see her in the film.
Me to!
And you’re right. You never know until you ask. lol And you know me. I’ll ask just about anything. ROFL!
Though I’m still in shock I got a response. /faints again. lol
Geez Brig, you have such a way with the ladies…
HA!
God I wish! Nope, just a huge fan that was super surprised she responded. And when she did I had to blog about it right? I mean wouldn’t you? 
She would be an awesome Sylvanas!
I completely agree! Or even a Garona! XD
Pimpin 1st! and awesome!
Unless I misunderstood, you seem to be propogating a common misconception with regard to loot rolls. Rolling DE does *not* have a higher priority than rolling greed. They are at equal priority.
So far the only good point I’ve heard GearScore make is that it in using it, Leaders of Pugs have a better chance to get people who are geared enough to do the encounter. That the Number makes it easier and increases your chances.
True, people often demanded Achievements to things above and beyond what tier they were actually doing before GS got started – yet they got mocked for it relentlessly. People knew having the achievement for say…Naxx meant nothing when it came to doing a Heroic. But a GearScore..it’s so simple! So easy. Such a deceptively seductive way to get a good group to do something.
Yet like the Must Have Achievement X for Y days, people are demanding truly stupid ’scores’ and assuming that that the GS is equal to the skill of the player. Not only that, but now GS has become due to the simple of ease and relative remoteness of the number, well…if you just hit 80, good luck.
Yes. It is the player’s who use GS who make the outrageous demands. But you know what? Before GearScore, before The Number became king, it was possible to enter a Heroic Keep or Nexus with beginning 80 quality gear…and not have your group fall apart due to someone declaring your number is too low. So while the intent and theory may be to make getting that run easier, in truth and practice it doesn’t. It makes difficult, frustrating and damn near impossible – far more then ever.
That is why I don’t like GearScore. That is why despite the author’s rabid, feral defending of it, I think he’s missing the point.
It doesn’t work in practice because the people who use it don’t let it. He never intended the Number to become the end all, but in creating the addon he has.
Towards the end of 3.2 People Stopped running heroics because it was a complete waste of time. New players and alts couldn’t run anything other then the daily heroic. This was a major problem because people could no longer run Heroics to gear enough to run Ulduar anymore.
Blizzard’s plan to fix this issue was to give emblems of conquest to all boss kills, and therefore give everyone a reason to go back to heroics and help new players. This plan backfired. This is because the people who already had gear were sick of running heroics and didn’t need anything other then the emblems off the boss. So what did these people do? They formed groups with people in similar gear level so they could run chain-heroics and farm the most emblems / hour. So new players and alts STILL couldn’t get into heroics.
Thankfully 3.3 fixed this by creating rewards that are worth running heroics again. And allowing players who actually need the gear to group together.
The “GearScore Problem” is a social problem. This cannot be denied. The debate is how much, if any GearScore exacerbates this social issue. I admit and understand that GearScore does increase this problem to some extent. However, the cat is out of the bag and there is no way to go back. So instead of simply discontinuing the addon because a percentage of players use it poorly, I plan to improve on it to reduce misuse and abuse.
I agree – the GearScore problem is a social one and not one caused by the addon itself. People want quick rewards with little or no effort.
I will however, argue that Gearscore exacerbated the issue. Before 3.2 and the new badges for everything system, no one was leaving groups due to players not having the highest tier gear. Not only that, but players would take appropriate gear for their spec, and not simply gear to up a number. Again it’s a social issue, but by making it so easy, so simple to reduce a player to a mere number, Gearscore made the issue worse.
I would like to refute something though. Speaking as a Paladin main, I’m in ICC gear. I have yet to do a run where I don’t have 2 or more people via LFG who are beginning players – unless I do a guild run. When I do get someone in equal gear to myself, they normally leave, citing the gearscore of the dps or healer. Again social problem made worse via an addon.
I am glad to hear you’re planning on making it better to try to reduce the misuse of it (you did great at reducing the communication issue), but at this point there is no real way for the addon to reduce the abuse of it. The only way I can see to completely reduce the unintended damage, is for Blizzard to break the addon a’la Decurse. I hope not because it would be a shame for your hard work to go to waste, but I cannot see any other way to reduce the negative impact the use of Gearscore has caused.
@Esmi
I think encouraging Blizzard to “break” addons like GS isn’t the right way to go imho.
It really doesn’t solve the problem.
Also, like you say. GearScore has a lot of positive things going for it.
Maybe it would be better for more players, bloggers and podcasters educate people on the proper use of the add-on. But that’s just my opinion.
Thanks Emsi! I appreciate the comments.
The last part of the interview nails it.. the problem with wow today is people are not patient, their rude, and generally unforgiving… I’ve seen myself fall into this mindset after pugging a while. I spent some time in the hardcore raiding scene and it wore me out, but the only thing that I can think of that’s more tiresome and likely to wear me out faster is the Pug scene.. heck, even in ICC 25 man content, people just don’t have the patience to progress… two wipes, and the 25 man raid dwindles to 10 people inside 2 mins.. /sigh
@Sam
This is something that is truly an issue with the game. And we’re seeing Blizzard react more and more to this change by making things easier and easier and reducing the complexity.
I wonder if there is some way Blizzard can find the balance between addressing the 1 1/2 hr time constrained player and the complex fun that the “Old Timers” want all without having people requiring addons like this.
Wow.. this should be stickied in the Hunter Forums..
This is like the.. MM Hunter’s Bible.
But I too sorta question the armor penetration socketing. I won’t really know until I see it for myself.
I too am at 780Arm Pen. And I am seriously thinking about socketing a couple Arm. Pen gems.. but I still don’t know what I want to do.
But this site certainly helps. Thanks a bunch
Nice site man, picked up a couple nuggets here…just can’t wait for Cataclysm, I read a rumor that it’s being released Nov 2010, however with Blizzard you never know :/
Thanks for the mention.
Just to clarify a little more. I understand built in metrics. If you’re not geared enough to handle a boss/mob, you will be handed your butt. That’s a given. And due to it being built in and not manipulated in thought by the average gamer I don’t see it as an issue.
This is more of a social issue than it is an addon issue. Abuse and misunderstanding of the addon is the problem. If the community can’t check itself, then maybe people will just check out.
Sorry, it sounds a little snippy, but that addon feels like a phantom following me everywhere. Maybe that’s not such a bad thing.
Good info, one error that processes into a big difference
Adjusted Boss’ DR% = 9,285.9 / (9,285.9 + 400 + 85 * (80 + 4.5 * (80 – 59)))
Adjusted Boss’ DR% = 9,285.9 / (9,285.9 + 400 + 85 * (80 + 4.5 * (31)))
80 – 59 = 21, which rewrites the subsequent equations
9285.9/(9,285.9 + 400 + 85 * (80 + 94.5))
9285.9/(9,285.9 + 400 + 85 * (174.5))
9285.9/(9,285.9 + 400 + 14832.5)
9285.9/24518.4
0.378732
±DPS% = Base Boss DR% – Adjusted Boss DR%
±DPS% = 40.6% – 37.87%
±DPS% = 2.83%
+2.83% DPS at 400 ArPen
if I am incorrect, please forgive me
Is that egg on my face or am I trying to make an omelette?
Okay, so at 400 it seems to be a +2.8DPS instead of the +7.8.
It’s still an increase just not nearly as much as I had first thought. In some ways it even makes even more sense to hold off on “Stacking” ArPen until you’re closer to the cap.
Thanks a bunch, I’ll make the edits and note your comment.
Okay, I went back and looked to see what the difference was. Since I had the same error calculating the base DPS as well as the Adjusted DPS it actually caused a small increase in the DPS.
(Well, unless I did yet another math mistake. And if I did please feel free to point out where b/c I’d like to make sure this is as accurate as I can get.)
Thanks again for all the help!
Thank you for all that you’ve done for me
Ahhhhhh…. How do I get my huntery fix this week??? The roundtable was great, getting Nass to say “Armor Penetration” was priceless.
I know.
Every time I think I’ve finally gotten everything together. *WHAM!* Out of the blue work decides to take a big chomp out of my hide. With that and Daewin’s Internet issues, topped off by it being Super Bowl Sunday and Daewin mumbling something about “Who DAT!” we took it as a sign we’d focus on getting things ready to make the ones ahead that much better!
As for Nass and ArmPen? Oh yeah! And think, all us Dwarves have hope! We can always point to this podcast and have proof that “Bigger isn’t always better.” Haha!
But yeah, we had a blast doing the roundtable. And promise that some awesome things are coming in the weeks ahead for THL Podcast!